hi,.
i might be getting rusty on this but i can't seem to find information in relation to god choosing the jws as is chosen religion, i wonder if there is any info on this and if they still teach it, and which books speak of this, and the biblical interpretations.. .
thanks,.
Hi,
I might be getting rusty on this but I can't seem to find information in relation to god choosing the jws as is chosen religion, I wonder if there is any info on this and if they still teach it, and which books speak of this, and the biblical interpretations.
Thanks,
i notice reported in a number of posts that this seems to a bit of a mantra with the dubbies now, more so than ever in the past.. is this because they are getting desperate for the life they live as jw's to change ?
they don't really want to end their days with the constant drudgery of the jw life still going on, they want something different, but must "wait on jehovah".
sigh.. i wonder if this is a small opportunity for us to sow some small, niggling doubt, why not ask, when they spew out the "it is soooo close" nonsense:.
My JW family do believe the end is soooooooooooooo close - they have quit their jobs and now call themselves pensioners (er pioneers) They have their go to bags. Ja see you 10 years.
Ah, I am not the only one
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It’s true that if you ask a jw what they were taught a month ago they can't fully recall what it was, not even a synopsis. It’s funny, its highly repetitive yet seemly fresh, with all the random scriptures and all.
The 1914 teaching will die of the same way 1975 died of, allow 3 to 4 more generations die and they will have a new intepretation with new short live span books.
i'm an active witness from brazil (who would leave if it weren't for my family/friends inside) and always dreamed about practicing skydiving.
but as radical sports are a no-no for witnesses... i wonder if any elder or ex-elder on this forum knows if an active jw, practices skydiving/parachuting once and/or regularly, can he or she be disfellowship on that basis?
i'm considering secretly jumping but afraid if someone finds out.
I’m not entirely sure but its looked down upon, it would definitively result in disciplinary matters
there seems to be a double standard among ex-jw's who believe and practice christianity.. i have lost 3 subscribers from my youtube channel all because of speaking my mind, it was not invasive or rude, but my last two videos appeared to have offended them.. so what happened?
as an atheist i raised some issues regarding the mind set of christianity that it borrows from jw's, in other words i was showing christian ex-jw's that they are behaving just like jw's.
the double standard is simple to grasp:.
00DAD wrote Maybe some of them are just not interested in what you have to say. That's not the same as shunning you.
There are a few things in your OP that don't make sense. How would an individual delete YOUR comments on YOUR YouTube channel?
I am using the word shunning loosely referring to those who unsub simply because they don't like what they are hearing, so you wrote Maybe some of them are just not interested in what you have to say, excuse the sarcasm but well duuuuuuhhhhhh lol, did you like it when jw's simply avoided and stopped talking to you? If you didn't then you follow a fallacy of reasoning, if your ok in " are just not interested in what you have to say " they you should be ok with jw's who " are just not interested in what you have to say ".
As for your second paragrah, I made comments on their channel and vids, not my own
NeonMadman wrote The door swings the other way too. As a Christian, I've had some ex-JW atheists defriend me on Facebook because they didn't like something that I posted that differed from their beliefs. The key is being willing to dialogue or remain friends with others even though you disagree in your beliefs. Unfortuantely, that is utterly contrary to what we were taught as JWs, and far too many ex-JWs of every persuasion simply haven't gotten it yet.
Indeed it does swing both ways, but during my 4 years on youtube I have seen a pattern among ex-jw christians, even on this forum we had lost some christians, but there are atheists who follow the same logical fallacy, althought the atheist group I am awarre of consists of many different ex-religions people who have a tendence to be more vocal, allow non monitored comments on youtube vids, with christians on youtube it is the exact opposite.
I dont think the key is to remain friends, I consider friendiship something genuine and not a tool to keep the peace, I am not saying that we should be rude and puffed up in pride but honest, also attacking an idea is not the same as attacking a person or a deity.
00DAD wrote Also, it is not logical to equate an individual's decision to dialogue or not with another individual with an institutional policy of shunning.
It follow's the same philisophical pattern to shunning and I never wrote anything about the institutional policy of shunning.
When a "loyal" JDub shuns someone they generally don't know why they do it, except that they are told to shun that person.
Yes they do, it might be their own made dogma but they do, it's because god told them so, it's because then don't want us to be a stumbling block.
Pyramid Scheme I agree with you.
Christ Alone wrote You're right. Many Christians are unwilling to examine their beliefs just as jws are not. And many Christians act incredibly immature. Some like to tell others that those with differing opinions are going to hell. It's a sad thin when I see this. And I'm a Christian too. Disappoints me sometimes.
I dont think ALL christians are like this, I dont think ALL atheists think like me either.
ruderedhead wrote If someone isn't interested in your vidoes any longer, for whatever reason, that should be o.k. Then jw's shunning you should be ok with you too.
there seems to be a double standard among ex-jw's who believe and practice christianity.. i have lost 3 subscribers from my youtube channel all because of speaking my mind, it was not invasive or rude, but my last two videos appeared to have offended them.. so what happened?
as an atheist i raised some issues regarding the mind set of christianity that it borrows from jw's, in other words i was showing christian ex-jw's that they are behaving just like jw's.
the double standard is simple to grasp:.
Some of you are missing my point with ad hoc and strawmans, I wrote a huge post for this but acidently got delete lol.
Maybe when I get back home.
there seems to be a double standard among ex-jw's who believe and practice christianity.. i have lost 3 subscribers from my youtube channel all because of speaking my mind, it was not invasive or rude, but my last two videos appeared to have offended them.. so what happened?
as an atheist i raised some issues regarding the mind set of christianity that it borrows from jw's, in other words i was showing christian ex-jw's that they are behaving just like jw's.
the double standard is simple to grasp:.
yrtemmyscirtemmysa , thanks.
there seems to be a double standard among ex-jw's who believe and practice christianity.. i have lost 3 subscribers from my youtube channel all because of speaking my mind, it was not invasive or rude, but my last two videos appeared to have offended them.. so what happened?
as an atheist i raised some issues regarding the mind set of christianity that it borrows from jw's, in other words i was showing christian ex-jw's that they are behaving just like jw's.
the double standard is simple to grasp:.
There seems to be a double standard among ex-jw's who believe and practice Christianity.
I have lost 3 subscribers from my youtube channel all because of speaking my mind, it was not invasive or rude, but my last two videos appeared to have offended them.
So what happened? As an atheist I raised some issues regarding the mind set of christianity that it borrows from JW's, in other words I was showing Christian ex-jw's that they are behaving just like jw's.
The double standard is simple to grasp:
What allowed a person to break free from the Jehovah’s Witness cult? The core answer is open minded, the opposite would be closed minded not wanting to hear the opinion of others.
Are ex-jw Christian's closed minded? Not all Christians but for some reason ex-jw's are closed mind.
So I’ll explain the double standard, they don't like how JW's treat ex-members yet they treat non-Christian members in the same manner, they remove your comments, block you and unsubscribe, all because you have a difference in opinion. The very mind set they use as JW's is the very same as a Christian.
A hamster in a wheel.
i can't claim 100% recall, certainly.
jw: "they are imperfect.
jw: "i don't know of any other place to go that has something better.".
In the end... really in any situation, just with an alcoholic, drug addict or a smoker we can only show them the door, pushing then into the door is illegal, allowing the conversation to get heated is counterproductive and offending them is really not portraying the solution.
Even with the criticism Hassan has had by other psychologists I prefer his method, but it's difficult considering team work is require and it's all about timing. It's like walking into a land mine, the more experience we have the easier we can tread (speak) without blowing ourselves (allowing them to think without the chain around their brain).
JW's use coercive persuasion, it's buying yourself into a state of mind that asked you to lock the door and throw the key away, your safe in my temple, don't walk out, don't speak to others... and the core problem is that they have a preconceive notion of their deaths, that is in a paradise earth, let god do the worrying (no need for a brain).
What you speak of Terry is very similar to a book that a cognitive psychologists wrote, When Prophecy Fails by Leon Festinger, who also coined the term cognitive dissonance and wrote a book about that.
